Genesis 19:32
Come, let us make our father drink wine, and we will lie with him, that we may preserve seed of our father.
a. NLT: Come, let’s get him drunk with wine, and then we will have sex with him. That way we will preserve our family line through our father.” [Scripture quotations marked (NLT) are taken from the Holy Bible, New Living Translation, copyright © 1996, 2004, 2007. Used by permission of Tyndale House Publishers Inc., Carol Stream, Illinois 60188. All rights reserved.]
b. NIV: Let’s get our father to drink wine and then sleep with him and preserve our family line through our father.” [THE HOLY BIBLE, NEW INTERNATIONAL VERSION®, NIV® Copyright © 1973, 1978, 1984, 2011 by Biblica, Inc.® Used by Permission of Biblica, Inc.® All rights reserved worldwide.]
c. YLT: come, we cause our father to drink wine, and lie with him, and preserve from our father -- a seed.' [The Young's Literal Translation was translated by Robert Young, who believed in a strictly literal translation of God's word. This version of the Bible is in the public domain.]
d. Amplified Bible: Come, let us make our father drunk with wine, and we will lie with him, so that we may preserve offspring (our race) through our father. [Amplified Bible, Classic Edition (AMPC) Copyright © 1954, 1958, 1962, 1964, 1965, 1987 by The Lockman Foundation]
e. Septuagint: Come and let us make our father drink wine, and let us sleep with him, and let us raise up seed from our father.
f. Stone Edition Torah/Writings/Prophets: Come, let us ply our father with wine and lay with him that we may give life to offspring through our father. [The Artscroll Series/Stone Edition, THE TANACH--STUDENT SIZE EDITION Copyright 1996, 1998 by Mesorah Publications, Ldt.]
1. “Come, let us make our father drink wine…”
a. Come [Strong: 3212 yalak yaw-lak'; a primitive root (Compare 1980); to walk (literally or figuratively); causatively, to carry (in various senses):--X again, away, bear, bring, carry (away), come (away), depart, flow, + follow(-ing), get (away, hence, him), (cause to, made) go (away, -ing, -ne, one's way, out), grow, lead (forth), let down, march, prosper, + pursue, cause to run, spread, take away ((-journey)), vanish, (cause to) walk(-ing), wax, X be weak.]
b. [let us make our] father [Strong: 1 'ab awb; a primitive word; father, in a literal and immediate, or figurative and remote application):--chief, (fore-)father(-less), X patrimony, principal.]
c. drink [Strong: 8248 shaqah shaw-kaw' a primitive root; to quaff, i.e. (causatively) to irrigate or furnish a potion to:--cause to (give, give to, let, make to) drink, drown, moisten, water.]
d. [Strong: 853 'eth ayth apparent contracted from 226 in the demonstrative sense of entity; properly, self (but generally used to point out more definitely the object of a verb or preposition, even or namely):--(as such unrepresented in English).]
wine [Strong: 3196 yayin yah'-yin from an unused root meaning to effervesce; wine (as fermented); by implication, intoxication:--banqueting, wine, wine(-bibber)]
2. “…and we will lie with him…”
a. [and we will] lie [Strong: 7901 shakab shaw-kab'; a primitive root; to lie down (for rest, sexual connection, decease or any other purpose):--X at all, cast down, ((lover-))lay (self) (down), (make to) lie (down, down to sleep, still with), lodge, ravish, take rest, sleep, stay.]
b. with him [Strong: 5973 `im eem from 6004; adverb or preposition, with (i.e. in conjunction with), in varied applications; specifically, equally with; often with prepositional prefix (and then usually unrepresented in English):--accompanying, against, and, as (X long as), before, beside, by (reason of), for all, from (among, between), in, like, more than, of, (un-)to, with(-al).]
1). This behavior is a result of living in Sodom for 20 plus years. When Lot moved to Sodom, the city already had a worse reputation for sin and wickedness than any other area (Genesis 13:10-13). During that time Lot was not married, he did not get married until after he moved to Sodom. Jewish teaching is that Lot’s wife was from Sodom, which implies that Lot’s daughters were born and raised in Sodom for approximately 20 years. Looking through the Scripture we can get a glimpse of what life was like in Sodom, and make no mistake about it, though homosexuality was not the only sin of Sodom, its prominence was there. The following passages give us a glimpse of life in Sodom.
a). 2 Peter 2:6-8 And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrha into ashes condemned them with an overthrow, making them an ensample unto those that after should live ungodly;
2:7 And delivered just Lot, vexed with the filthy conversation of the wicked:
2:8 (For that righteous man dwelling among them, in seeing and hearing, vexed his righteous soul from day to day with their unlawful deeds:)
b). They lived ungodly, having no respect for the things of God.
(1) ungodly [Strong: 764. asebeo as-eb-eh'-o; from 765; to be (by implied act) impious or wicked:--commit (live, that after should live) ungodly.] [impious [Websters Online: not pious : lacking in reverence or proper respect (as for God or one's parents)] [Thayer: to be ungodly, act impiously.]
c). Lot was worn down emotionally and spiritually by their filthy wicked behavior. The definitions reveal that the people of Sodom purposely did things and said things in front of Lot just to bother him, just to see his reaction. Their behavior was sometimes brutal, and with no restraint as they behaved in an insatiable desire for perverse sexual pleasure.
2). Isaiah 3:9 The shew of their countenance doth witness against them; and they declare their sin as Sodom, they hide it not. Woe unto their soul! for they have rewarded evil unto themselves.
a). They declared their sin.
(1) declare [Strong: 5046 nagad naw-gad'; a primitive root; to front, i.e. stand boldly out opposite; by implication (causatively), to manifest; figuratively, to announce (always by word of mouth to one present); specifically, to expose, predict, explain, praise:--bewray, X certainly, certify, declare(-ing), denounce, expound, X fully, messenger, plainly, profess, rehearse, report, shew (forth), speak, X surely, tell, utter.] [Gesenius: to be manifest, to betray, to declare, to confess, to profess openly, to proclaim, to celebrate with praise, to be shown, told.]
(2) Remember that the context is sin, so the various definitions fit right in with the NIV use of the word “parade” (Isaiah 3:9). “To boldly stand out (in their sin), to announce (their sin) by word of mouth, to proclaim (their sin), are all very revealing. They did all this in front of Lot to vex him. A contemporary example would be a Homosexual rights parade.
3). Zephaniah 2:8-10 I have heard the reproach of Moab, and the revilings of the children of Ammon, whereby they have reproached my people, and magnified themselves against their border.
2:9 Therefore as I live, saith the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel, Surely Moab shall be as Sodom, and the children of Ammon as Gomorrah, even the breeding of nettles, and salt pits, and a perpetual desolation: the residue of my people shall spoil them, and the remnant of my people shall possess them.
2:10 This shall they have for their pride, because they have reproached and magnified themselves against the people of the LORD of hosts.
a). Moab and Ammon were guilty of some of the same sins as Sodom and Gomorrah. They reviled reproached and magnified themselves against God’s people. In order to get a better understanding of their sin, the Hebrew definitions need to be studied.
(1) revilings [Strong: 1421 gidduwph ghid-doof' or (shortened) gidduph {ghid-doof'}; and (feminine) gidduphah {ghid-doo-faw'}; or gidduphah {ghid-doo-faw'}; from 1422; vilification:--reproach, reviling. to use abusive, slanderous language about someone, to scornfully insult.]
(2) reproach [Strong: 2781 cherpah kher-paw' from 2778; contumely, disgrace, the pudenda:--rebuke, reproach(-fully), shame. A scornful insult.] [Gesenius: reproach, scorn, contempt, taunt, scorn (upon enemy), reproach (resting upon condition of shame, disgrace).]
(3) magnified [Strong: 1431 gadal gaw-dal'; to be (causatively make) large (in various senses, as in body, mind, estate or honor, also in pride):--advance, boast, bring up, exceed, excellent, be(-come, do, give, make, wax), great(-er, come to...estate, + things), grow(up),increase, lift up, magnify(-ifical), be much set by, nourish (up), pass, promote, proudly (spoken)…] [ Gesenius: To twist together, to bind together,to be or become great, it is applied to riches and power, to be celebrated with praises, to cause and take care that anything should grow and become great.]
b). Life in Sodom was a daily barrage of abuse, slander, scorn, reproach toward the believers in the knowledge of the one true God. They grew more and more wicked, more and more ungodly. This matches perfectly the Hebrew of Genesis 19:13, “the cry of them is waxen great before the Lord.” It was living in these immoral conditions that contributed to the gradual corruption of Lot and his family.
(1) 1 Corinthians 15:33 [English Standard Version] Do not be deceived: “Bad company ruins good morals.”
(2) 2 Timothy 2:16, 17 [NLT] Avoid worthless, foolish talk that only leads to more godless behavior.
2:17 This kind of talk spreads like cancer, as in the case of Hymenaeus and Philetus.
3. “…that we may preserve seed of our father.”
a. preserve [Strong: 2421 chayah khaw-yaw'; a primitive root (Compare 2331, 2421); to live, whether literally or figuratively; causatively, to revive:--keep (leave, make) alive, X certainly, give (promise) life, (let, suffer to) live, nourish up, preserve (alive), quicken, recover, repair, restore (to life), revive, (X God) save (alive, life, lives), X surely, be whole.]
b. seed [Strong: 2233 zera` zeh'-rah; from 2232; seed; figuratively, fruit, plant, sowing-time, posterity:--X carnally, child, fruitful, seed(-time), sowing- time.]
c. father [Strong: 1 'ab awb; a primitive word; father, in a literal and immediate, or figurative and remote application):--chief, (fore-)father(-less), X patrimony, principal.]
1). The following excerpt from a Jewish perspective is hogwash. From the previous studies above it is shown from the word that it would be impossible to remain a modest, righteous woman, or man living in such immoral conditions.
2). Rabbinic teaching about Lot’s daughters, Note under Genesis 19:31-38: Lot’s daughters: Moab and Ammon—the roots of Jewish monarchy. “Lot’s daughters were modest, righteous women whose actions were nobly motivated. Thinking that the rest of the world had been destroyed in the upheaval of Sodom—and that even Zoar had been spared only while they were there—they felt that it was their responsibility to save the human race by bearing children, even though the only living male was their own father: Because their intentions were pure, they merited that among their descendants would be Ruth, ancestress of David, and Naama, queen of Solomon and mother of Rehoboam, his successor and the next link in the Davidic chain (R Bachya). Lot, however was different; his intentions were not at all sincere. Even though he was intoxicated and unaware of what he was doing the first night, he knew in the morning what had happened—but allowed himself to be intoxicated again, knowing full well what the result would be (Rashi). Unlike his daughters, he knew from the angels that the upheaval was to affect only a limited group of cities, not the whole world.”
3). The incest listed here is between father and daughter, a form of incest only practised, that I know of during pre-Israel Canaan (Leviticus 18:7; 18:24-30), a very ungodly group of 7 nations. There were forms of incest that were tolerable up until the giving of the law on Sinai. From the time of Adam up to the time of Moses, approximately 2500 years, mankind practiced incest in one form or another. In fact it was necessary after the Creation and the flood in Noah’s day to insure the propagation of humanity. Biblical examples that would have been forbidden after the Mosaic Law in Leviticus 18:1-30 are Abraham marrying his half sister Sarah (Genesis 11:29; 20:12), and Moses father marrying his aunt (Exodus 6:20). This new divine legislation was implemented because as the generations continued to be born and die, the effects of sin multiplied the generational defects within men and women. Just as the spiritual effects of sin produced more wickedness in the next generations, the physical defects from sin also multiplied to the point that intermarriage between close relatives made birth defects inevitable, and to prevent that, God in his wisdom gave the commandments forbidding these marriages. In Lot’s day it is unknow what kind of forms of incest were practiced, but certainly men and women marrying aunts and uncles was permitted and perhaps men and women marrying half sisters and half brothers. There are two examples in Scripture of men having sex with their father’s wives. In Genesis 35:22, Reuben slept with Bilhah. At this time it was shuned as defiling his father’s bed. In Leviticus 18:1-30 approximately 240 years, later it was strictly forebidden. When Paul wrote 1 Corinthians 5:1, it was regarded as an unmentionable sin.
4). Egypt was a nation like many other nations that engaged in incest. I don’t know when contemporary science found this out in regards to Egypt, but it has only been able to be scientifically proven since we could check DNA, regardless, this is another example of God’s word informing us of it before modern science discovers it and thus God and His Word being proven true, that the “doings of the land of Egypt” included incest. All of Leviticus 18:6-18 deals with incest.
a). National geographic, 9/2009, King Tut’s Family Secrets: “Pharaonic Egypt was not the only society in history to institutionalize royal incest, which can have political advantages. (See “The Risks and Rewards of Royal Incest”). But there can be a dangerous consequence. Married siblings are more likely to pass on twin copies of harmful genes, leaving their children vulnerable to a variety of genetic defects. Tutankhamun's malformed foot may have been one such flaw. We suspect he also had a partially cleft palate, another congenital defect. Perhaps he struggled against others until a severe bout of malaria or a leg broken in an accident added one strain too many to a body that could no longer carry the load. There may be one other poignant testimony to the legacy of royal incest buried with Tutankhamun in his tomb. While the data are still incomplete, our study suggests that one of the mummified fetuses found there is the daughter of Tutankhamun himself, and the other fetus is probably his child as well. So far we have been able to obtain only partial data for the two female mummies from KV21. One of them, KV21A, may well be the infants' mother and thus, Tutankhamun's wife, Ankhesenamun. We know from history that she was the daughter of Akhenaten and Nefertiti, and thus likely her husband's half sister. Another consequence of inbreeding can be children whose genetic defects do not allow them to be brought to term.”
5). What most miss about the passage in Leviticus 18 is immediately before he mentions the forms of incest, adultery, child sacrifice, homosexuality, and bestiality, Moses writes, “neither shall ye walk in their ordinances.” The Hebrew word for “ordinances” is the same Hebrew word used in Leviticus 18:4 describing God’s “ordinances”. Further down chapter 18, the Hebrew word translated “customs” in Leviticus 18:30 is the same Hebrew word translated “ordinances” in Leviticus 18:3, 4. Hence when the passage ends, we can say with authority that the seven nations of Canaan enacted laws protecting their customs of incest (including father/daughter, mother/son and sister/brother forms of incest), adultery, homosexuality, child sacrifice, and bestiality.
6). I believe this behavior by Lot’s daughters is because they were born and raised in Sodom and lived there all there lives. Abram came into the land at age 75 (Genesis 12:4). Then you had the wrong move to Egypt to escape the famine (Genesis 12:10-20), and the fiasco over Sarai, which probably took perhaps a year. Then the whole group moves back to Canaan to the Bethel area which is where the strife between Lot’s herdsmen and Abram’s herdsmen begins. It is here because of the strife that they separate. I’m guessing that a year or two transpired for the move back to Canaan and the strife to grow to the point where separation was needful. So my guess is Abram was probably about 78 or 79 at the time he moved to Mamre. In Genesis 20:1 He moved from Mamre to Gerar immediately after the destruction of the four cities of the plain, which was about or within a year previous to the birth of Isaac. God promised Abraham in Genesis 17:21 that Isaac would be born about a year later. Not long after in Genesis 18, God told both Abraham and Sarah that a son would be born to them, “At the time appointed I will return unto thee, according to the time of life…” (Genesis 18:14). Because Abraham was 100 years old at the time of Isaac’s birth (Romans 4:19), that would mean they lived in Mamre for about 20 or 21 years, and Lot lived in Sodom about twenty years.
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