John 17:5

John 17:5

And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.

a. NLT: Now, Father, bring me into the glory we shared before the world began.

b. NIV: And now, Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you before the world began.

c. YLT: 'And now, glorify me, Thou Father, with Thyself, with the glory that I had before the world was, with Thee;

d. Amplified Bible:  Now, Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory and majesty that I had with You before the world existed.

e. Worrell Translation: And, now, Father, glorify Thou Me with Thine Own Self, with the glory which I had with Thee before the world was.

1. “And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self…”

a. and [2532 * kia] [Strong: apparently, a primary particle, having a copulative and sometimes also a cumulative force; and, also, even, so then, too, etc.; often used in connection (or composition) with other particles or small words:--and, also, both, but, even, for, if, or, so, that, then, therefore, when, yet.]

b. now [3568 * nun] [Strong: a primary particle of present time; "now" (as adverb of date, a transition or emphasis); also as noun or adjective present or immediate:--henceforth, + hereafter, of late, soon, present, this (time).]

c. Father [3962 * pater] [Strong:  apparently a primary word; a "father" (literally or figuratively, near or more remote):--father, parent.]

d. glorify [1392 * doxa] [Strong: from 1391; to render (or esteem) glorious (in a wide application):--(make) glorify(-ious), full of (have) glory, honour, magnify.]

e. thou [4771 * su] [Strong: the person pronoun of the second person singular; thou:-- thou.]

f. me [3165 * me] [Strong: a shorter (and probably originally) from of 1691; me:--I, me, my.]

g. with [3844 * para] [Strong: a primary preposition; properly, near; i.e. (with genitive case) from beside (literally or figuratively), (with dative case) at (or in) the vicinity of (objectively or subjectively), (with accusative case) to the proximity with (local (especially beyond or opposed to) or causal (on account of):--above, against, among, at, before, by, contrary to, X friend, from, + give (such things as they), + that (she) had, X his, in, more than, nigh unto, (out) of, past, save, side...by, in the sight of, than, (there-)fore, with. In compounds it retains the same variety of application.]

h. thin own self [4572 * seautou] [Strong:  genitive case from 4571 and 846, also dative case of the same, seautoi seh-ow-to', and accusative case seauton seh-ow-ton', likewise contracted sautou sow-too', sautoi sow-to', and sauton sow-ton', respectively of (with, to) thyself:--thee, thine own self, (thou) thy(-self).]

2. “…with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.”

a. the glory [1391 * doxa] [Strong: from the base of 1380; glory (as very apparent), in a wide application (literal or figurative, objective or subjective):--dignity, glory(-ious), honour, praise, worship.]

b. which [3778 * houto] [Strong: adverb from 3778; in this way (referring to what precedes or follows):--after that, after (in) this manner, as, even (so), for all that, like(-wise), no more, on this fashion(-wise), so (in like manner), thus, what.]

c. I had [2192 * echo] [Strong:  including an alternate form scheo skheh'-o; (used in certain tenses only) a primary verb; to hold (used in very various applications, literally or figuratively, direct or remote; such as possession; ability, contiuity, relation, or condition):--be (able, X hold, possessed with), accompany, + begin to amend, can(+ -not), X conceive, count, diseased, do + eat, + enjoy, + fear, following, have, hold, keep, + lack, + go to law, lie, + must needs, + of necessity, + need, next, + recover, + reign, + rest, + return, X sick, take for, + tremble, + uncircumcised, use.]

d. with [3844 * para] [Strong: a primary preposition; properly, near; i.e. (with genitive case) from beside (literally or figuratively), (with dative case) at (or in) the vicinity of (objectively or subjectively), (with accusative case) to the proximity with (local (especially beyond or opposed to) or causal (on account of):--above, against, among, at, before, by, contrary to, X friend, from, + give (such things as they), + that (she) had, X his, in, more than, nigh unto, (out) of, past, save, side...by, in the sight of, than, (there-)fore, with. In compounds it retains the same variety of application.]

e. thee [4671 * soi] [Strong: dative case of 4771; to thee:--thee, thine own, thou, thy.]

f. before [4253 * pro] [Strong: a primary preposition; "fore", i.e. in front of, prior (figuratively, superior) to:--above, ago, before, or ever. In the comparative, it retains the same significations.]

g. the world [2889 * kosmos] [Strong: probably from the base of 2865; orderly arrangement, i.e. decoration; by implication, the world (in a wide or narrow sense, including its inhabitants, literally or figuratively (morally)):--adorning, world.]

h. was [1511 * einai] [Strong: present infinitive from 1510; to exist:--am, was. come, is, X lust after, X please well, there is, to be, was.]

1). Before his birth as a human being, the pre-incarnate Christ was a part of the Triune Godhead. This glory that Jesus was speaking of in this verse was one of the Godlike attributes that He emptied Himself of when He became man.

a). Philippians 2:6, 7 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

2:7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:

2). Here are a few of the passages that establish the pre-incarnate Christ as God Almighty.

a). John 1:1-3 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

The same was in the beginning with God.

All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

(1) John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

b). Micah 5:2 But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting.

(1) everlasting [5769 * olam][Strong: concealed, i.e., the vanishing point; generally time out of mind (past or future), eternity…always.]

(2) The same Hebrew word used in Micah describing the pre-incarnate Christ is used in Psalms when describing the LORD God.

(3) Psalm 90:2 Before the mountains were brought forth, or ever thou hadst formed the earth and the world, even from everlasting to everlasting, thou art God.

c). Jesus declared himself to be God. Jesus referring to Himself as “I am”, was a clear reference to the dialogue between Moses and the LORD God in Exodus.

(1) John 8:56-58 Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad.

8:57 Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and thou hast seen Abraham?

8:58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, Verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.

(2) Exodus 3:14 And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.

d). The writer of Hebrews (who was probably Paul), wrote and quoted a passage in Psalms and applied it to God speaking to the “Son” [Jesus] and called him “God”.

(1) Hebrews 1:8, 9 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.

1:9 Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.

(2) The passage referred to is Psalms 45:6, 7.

(3) Psalm 45:6, 7 Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: the sceptre of thy kingdom is a right sceptre.

45:7 Thou lovest righteousness, and hatest wickedness: therefore God, thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.

3). Kingdom Of The Cults Walter Martin p.139: The Scripture nowhere calls Jesus Christ the eternal Son of God, and he is never called Son at all prior to the incarnation, except in prophetic passages in the Old Testament.  The term "Son" itself is a functional term, as is the term "Father" and has no meaning apart from time.  The term “Father” incidentally never carries the descriptive adjective “eternal” in Scripture; as a matter of fact, only the Spirit is called eternal (“the eternal Spirit” in Hebrews 9:14), emphasizing the fact that the words Father and Son are purely functional as previously stated. Many heresies have seized upon the confusion created by the illogical "eternal Sonship" or "eternal generation" theory of Roman Catholic theology, unfortunately carried over to some aspects of Protestant theology. Finally; there cannot be any such thing as eternal Sonship . . . . the word "Son" definitely suggests inferiority."

4). God’s Plan for Man, Finis Jennings Dake, p. 383: “The truth then is this: there were always three distinct and eternal Persons unbegotten of each other from all eternity; that only one of these eternal Persons of the Deity became a man and the Son of another of these eternal Beings by the power of the third; one took the headship part, another took the meditative part, and the third took the part of the direct operation in the plan of creation and redemption of all things. It was in the plan of the Trinity to take these respective parts long before the plan began to be worked out.”